tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post9067555492924407133..comments2023-11-05T09:33:34.696+00:00Comments on The 'Spill: The Twelve Tasks Of ToffeeBoy #3 – ColdplayBlimpyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03062521891682719767noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-44368552449994855532009-04-17T21:15:00.000+01:002009-04-17T21:15:00.000+01:00I had her down as Suzanne Bertish too. Kudos TFD!!...I had her down as Suzanne Bertish too. Kudos TFD!!!!....https://www.blogger.com/profile/12459690684592261821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-28519311970445150832009-04-17T19:09:00.000+01:002009-04-17T19:09:00.000+01:00tfd: I had convinced myself, through extensive goo...tfd: I had convinced myself, through extensive google/wiki/imdb research, that you were Suzanne Bertish, who has also been in Rome and Corrie. Fortunately, I haven't yet shouted that from the rooftops...<br /><br />But I'm still impressed if you've impressed David Edgar!Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-5643051057880916182009-04-17T18:45:00.000+01:002009-04-17T18:45:00.000+01:00I was tempted to keep quiet, gf, but people would ...I was tempted to keep quiet, gf, but people would only have had to google to find out it was Juliet Stevenson!treefrogdemonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668655760960757921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-24132232534803251932009-04-17T14:45:00.000+01:002009-04-17T14:45:00.000+01:00TFD: You should have kept quiet about that last bi...TFD: You should have kept quiet about that last bit a bit longer and soaked up the adulation, mention it next week perhaps? I couldn't believe the co-incidences going on here, everyone here all sitting in the same row. You know these recent posts have been very revealing about our group, we're a rather interesting and unique group that a sociologist might find of interest.<br />I'll dond Tin's comment re thespians, not that there's anything wrong with them, we're all broadminded hereabouts?goneforeignhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903220453599675348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-67697870156990292752009-04-17T13:54:00.000+01:002009-04-17T13:54:00.000+01:00no, no, guys, I never got as far as the RSC (thoug...no, no, guys, I never got as far as the RSC (though I would've if I could've). But ours was the first amateur production of NN, and David Edgar came to see it and afterwards told us that we were the best amateur company he'd seen and as good as any professional company he'd worked with. So that included the RSC of course.treefrogdemonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668655760960757921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-77657262355949253882009-04-17T11:08:00.000+01:002009-04-17T11:08:00.000+01:00@ Toffeeboy
Just cause TFD doesn't have a boyfrien...@ Toffeeboy<br />Just cause TFD doesn't have a boyfriend and likes folk music doesn't mean she's a thespian.tincanmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12200557175717172969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-16843499010509800152009-04-16T23:23:00.000+01:002009-04-16T23:23:00.000+01:00The talents of the RR Cru are amazing. Yes tfd, I'...The talents of the RR Cru are amazing. Yes tfd, I'm looking at you. As I was from row 6 at Stratford. Great production...and seems like half of RR wuz there!glasshalfemptyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571305610728989814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-79021294443367760122009-04-16T22:52:00.000+01:002009-04-16T22:52:00.000+01:00Did anyone ever take up mine and Tracy's recommend...Did anyone ever take up mine and Tracy's recommendation of Kate Atkinson's Behind The Scenes At The Museum?<br /><br />And returning to music for a minute, yes, fp, I have the latest Elbow CD and yes, I love it. But, I'm obsessed with The Decemberists at the moment and don't have time to isten to anything else ...ToffeeBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09610938852113922395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-16934840412392838982009-04-16T22:43:00.000+01:002009-04-16T22:43:00.000+01:00Heheh, I never am sure about spellt either. With y...Heheh, I never am sure about spellt either. With you on the DH Laurence, it's so bloody unsexy and tiresome. You know, when I got to uni I thought it'd be people passionately defending this or that author and rigorous debate and such, but all I found was people with no opinions and little passion and very often, no common sense: very much as Kate Atkinson describes in Emotionally Weird. Bet we would have had some fascinating debates in the union bar!TracyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286764670162439668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-64346761845970019252009-04-16T22:42:00.000+01:002009-04-16T22:42:00.000+01:00@ tfd - I'm hugely impressed with your thespian pa...@ tfd - I'm hugely impressed with your thespian past (and present?)ToffeeBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09610938852113922395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-24364860775508271212009-04-16T22:41:00.001+01:002009-04-16T22:41:00.001+01:00So ... Coldplay ... ermm ...
Actually, I'm lovin...So ... Coldplay ... ermm ... <br /><br />Actually, I'm loving the literary discussions - I'm the living proof that it's possible to love Dickens <I>and</I> Hardy <I>and</I> Eliot - but not Lawrence - just never got him - for me, Lawrence is Dylan.<br /><br />If I could take only one book to my Desert Island it would be Great Expectations - absolutely flawless. I could also read Jude The Obscure countless times but I probably wouldn't want to have it on the island - not if I was on my own, anyway...ToffeeBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09610938852113922395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-86912871310301984202009-04-16T22:41:00.000+01:002009-04-16T22:41:00.000+01:00Oh my God TFD You were in THAT performance of Nich...Oh my God TFD You were in THAT performance of Nicholas Nickleby? Early 80s RSC? I also saw it on stage at the Newcastle Theatre Royal. Were you in that one? Wonderful piece of theatre. My dad took me and we both loved it. Glad steenbeck saw it too. Fancy!!!....https://www.blogger.com/profile/12459690684592261821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-59295807473352668892009-04-16T22:22:00.000+01:002009-04-16T22:22:00.000+01:00Hey, you were in Nicholas Nickleby? Wow! Wow wow! ...Hey, you were in Nicholas Nickleby? Wow! Wow wow! I saw it on stage in NYC. It was good fun. Half in the afternoon, then a break for dinner, then the rest at night.<br /><br />TracyK, I've read a lot of Hardy, including Tess (I was an english major) and I know there's sex in it, but I find it completely unsexy. I feel the same way about DH Lawrence, who just makes me angry. For Hardy, it's, I don't know, it's as though it's written by someone who has never had sex, and is trying to imagine what other people find sexy. As you said, though, chacun a son gout, or however that's meant to be spelled. Spelt?steenbeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14870117999742670522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-6371545385620232962009-04-16T22:17:00.000+01:002009-04-16T22:17:00.000+01:00I'm with you on Dickens v Hardy, steenbeck - I ado...I'm with you on Dickens v Hardy, steenbeck - I adore Dickens (except Pickwick Papers, which I've never got on with) and can't abide Hardy - the novels that is: I like the poems. Hardy's people are soooo pigheaded and always make such obviously wrong choices I just want to scream at them.<br /><br />The most enjoyable time I've had in a play was David Edgar's stage version of Nicholas Nickleby. I played Mrs Squeers, the most evil person in the whole shebang. Yay, I love being evil.treefrogdemonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08668655760960757921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-61105084246313357062009-04-16T22:15:00.000+01:002009-04-16T22:15:00.000+01:00Hardy sexless?! Have you read Tess?! As my fantast...Hardy sexless?! Have you read Tess?! As my fantastic lecturer at uni (now a well-known author, Patricia Duncker) pointed out, Hardy is always looking into her mouth, putting things in her mouth, penetrating the skin...You can also read some lovely knowing role-reversal in his The Distracted Preacher, where the golden haired, downy skinned virginal preacher is led seriously astray by the vivacious, sexually experienced, widowed smuggler, Lizzie. After having their faces pressed together at a window and then no kiss she goes to bed crying in frustration while he tosses and turns all night. Even my Year 10s understood that! There's a lot to be read into the Victorians in terms of sexual symbolism, it's a fascinating subject. <br /><br />I find Dickens humourless and cold, myself, but then again, horses for courses, innit?TracyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286764670162439668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-77693793280095389282009-04-16T22:06:00.000+01:002009-04-16T22:06:00.000+01:00Oh no!! I looooove DIckens and the Smiths and I...Oh no!! I looooove DIckens and the Smiths and I'm not a fan of Hardy & Coldplay. I think DIckens is criminally misrepresented. He's verbose, it's true, and syrupy at times, but he's got so much black humor and biting political commentary that seems sadly overlooked. Lordy, I love DIckens I wish he'd written more novels for me to read. And Hardy, I think is self-indulgent, humorless, sexless... Whereas Morrissey--very very funny. In fact, upon headachey reflection (3 days now, and not budging for nothin') I'd go the opposite--Morrissey / Dickens, Coldplay / Hardy.<br /><br />Sorry, don't mean to be contentious. I'll blame it on the headache.steenbeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14870117999742670522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-71460596704372605832009-04-16T21:52:00.000+01:002009-04-16T21:52:00.000+01:00And Toffee if you haven't heard the Elbow album I'...And Toffee if you haven't heard the Elbow album I'd be willing to bet large sums of money that you'll adore it.......https://www.blogger.com/profile/12459690684592261821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-50297375057773491072009-04-16T21:50:00.000+01:002009-04-16T21:50:00.000+01:00Wow - some great cross referencing between posts t...Wow - some great cross referencing between posts there! Respect!....https://www.blogger.com/profile/12459690684592261821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-60366207895883943532009-04-16T21:43:00.000+01:002009-04-16T21:43:00.000+01:00Have followed this discussion with interest, thoug...Have followed this discussion with interest, though as ever I find myself being swayed much like the guy in the Fast Show sketch. <br /><br />I appreciate the lit analogy too: FP, Vanity Fair is one of my faves, Thackeray so coolly dispassionate. Becky is really a modern heroine and would have eaten Bridget bloody Jones alive. Hardy, despite his frequent slides into melodrama remained distanced from his characters, where I find Dickens to be gloopily sentimental and far too willing to waste words. If Hardy is Morrissey, what would Dickens be? Razorlight? Or even...ta dah! Coldply?TracyKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00286764670162439668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-18517462367696793362009-04-16T20:43:00.000+01:002009-04-16T20:43:00.000+01:00@ fp - absolutely - Thackeray's in, as are George ...@ fp - absolutely - Thackeray's in, as are George Eliot and Thomas Hardy (Hardy as the Morrissey of Victorian novelists?)ToffeeBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09610938852113922395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-57505963849653624012009-04-16T20:33:00.000+01:002009-04-16T20:33:00.000+01:00Hey Toffee - can I vote Thackeray in too? Vanity F...Hey Toffee - can I vote Thackeray in too? Vanity Fair was published in installments. The guy was writing soap operas before they were invented...<br />Need to hear TracyK on this - you out there?....https://www.blogger.com/profile/12459690684592261821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-25605386470381304242009-04-16T20:15:00.000+01:002009-04-16T20:15:00.000+01:00I wasn't going to make any further comments on thi...I wasn't going to make any further comments on this - I've said all I wanted to say for the time being (and I noted blimpy's full stop) - but I thought tincanman's literature analogy was too good to let go. It occurred to me that Charles Dickens is probably the greatest ever writer of 'pop' fiction.<br /><br />Task #4 next week all being well and, you never know, there may be another ToffeeBean just around the corner ...ToffeeBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09610938852113922395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-71691919821071347982009-04-16T18:36:00.000+01:002009-04-16T18:36:00.000+01:00And he was always clear - with his readers, but mo...And he was always clear - with his readers, but more importantly with himself - which was which.tincanmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12200557175717172969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-18642532569531048722009-04-16T17:31:00.000+01:002009-04-16T17:31:00.000+01:00Interesting analogy, because of course Greene's bo...Interesting analogy, because of course Greene's books covered a wide range of styles and genres, including some (often but not always labelled 'entertainments') that were definitely 'popular' - <I>Our Man in Havana</I> being a key example, while <I>Brighton Rock</I> took pop elements (gangster films) and turned them into art. Agatha Christie as mass-produced, throwaway pop, certainly, but Greene as the Roxy Music of the thriller world?Abahachihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06007129278000634520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1533372025110910037.post-76675704834588410712009-04-16T16:38:00.000+01:002009-04-16T16:38:00.000+01:00As I was drifting off to sleep last night I was th...As I was drifting off to sleep last night I was thinking about Toffee's subject here ands the two Aidan Moffat albums discussed above, and I think they meld because my album of the week is <I>I Can Hear Your Heart </I>, and while people agree it is a keeper, it his neweer album, <I>How To Get To Heaven From Scotland</I>, that is more popular.<br />I got thinking that it is like going to the used bookshop and coming home with a Graham Greene and an Agatha Christie. You'll read and enjoy both, but in five years the Graham Greene will still be on your shelf and the Agatha Christie will be in its second or third car boot sale.<br />Not to hijack this post, but I'll stick with <I>I Can Hear Your Heart </I> and Graham Green. Nothing at all wrong with Agatha Christie or <I>How To Get To Heaven From Scotland</I> - both well done, excellently crafted. But pop, not art.tincanmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12200557175717172969noreply@blogger.com