What follows is the development of Dondling, as taken from the RR comments.
AlexaK
Comment No. 710851
'dondled - adj. - (verb: 'dondle) -- a variant of 'donded, a dialect peculiar to RR. From the Typographically Challenged "sedonded," via the English "Seconded."
For those less versed in the technical terminology of linguistics, here's an explanation in "plein English"..
frogprincess
Comment No. 660790
the 'sedonds' is a classic RR typo for 'seconds' and was kind of adopted as RR lingo as we all make typing mistakes, especially on a Friday night when the well earned glass of whatever kicks in. You know that moment when you're drinking champagne cos you have no prosecco left in the fridge?
But where did this expression really come from? How did it develop?
After about half an hour of lacklustre searching, the linguistic experts at RROS have put together this take it or leave it survey of the term "dondle", including this early forerunner of the expression:
ejaydee
Comment No. 508215
Secdonds for the SESAME STREET THEME TOON!!!!
The first recorded formal use followed shortly afterwards:
BlimpyMcFlah
Comment No. 529313
MASSIVE SEDONDS for Joy Division, as Atmosphere is my favourite and best song of theirs.
Also I would like to know when the "Massive Sedonds" t-shirt is going to be available from the Guardian shop. I for one would buy it, and on the back there could be a list of the 50 best music t-shirts as knocked up by jasonaparkes
..After some chin-stroking, nodding and a few sips of wine, the well oiled RR call-and-response mechanism kicked into place..
DarceysDad
Comment No. 539762
By the way, Blimpy, I'm working on the Massive Sedonds T-shirts ...
Tempusfugit
Comment No. 576906
FP, have you got a keyboard with 2 'ds' on it (as in 'sedonds') or am I missing something?
What great invention didn't have its near misses? We are left to wonder what might have been...
Bathmat
Comment No. 637731
Everyone's sedonding Heatwave by Martha Reeves & the Vs, which I happily thirdond
saneshane
Comment No. 722479
extraordondary thrids PLEASE
BlimpyMcFlah
Comment No. 733409
GIGANTIC DONDALOONDIES
The point of no return, however, was reached on the landmark date of August 17 with the first official recognition of the term- from here, there was no going back..
Dorianlynskey
Comment No. 647414
Morning all
CLARIFICATION TIME
I'm counting sedonds as individual posters' first choices. So if you've already picked, say, The One I Love, then you can't sedond, say, 1 Thing.
Now the usage was firmly established, it wasn't long before the desire for formal acceptance made itself felt..
ShivSidecar
Comment No. 647216
As a little 100th birthday diversion, can anybody supply me with the etymology of the verb "to sedond"? And a citation of its first use? (Or is it one of those if-you-have-to-ask-you'll-never-understand thangs?)
some of the earlier investigations into the etymology of the term are yet to be verified...
lukethedrifter
Comment No. 647369
wow, so clearly 'sedonding' is already mythical, and everyone has their own sedond story. For my part, I assert that the first recorded example of sedonding was found in the Tao Te Ching. The specific verse in question reads:
'The way that can be seen
is not the constant way;
is not water more powerful than stone,
for a river may flow through granite.
Is not Nick Cave the way?
For there are sedonds in profusion'.
frogprincess
Comment No. 712181
Dond: Etym. 15th cen. Be-dondle [expressing support, emotional or political] "Methinks I have a lay bedondled" [15th century ode by Pater Darcum]
and, as with any popular phrase, the early history was littered with variations and abbrieviations:
BlimpyMcFlah
Comment No. 657714
Immediate and massive 'donds to the Fannies and Buggles
severin
Comment No. 669938
eerrmm ... "sendondly" (?)
frogprincess
Comment No. 710228
(which I instantly 'dondle')
alicksboots
Comment No. 713865
Donds and thrids to it.
murphsup
Comment No. 711997
Oh yes, this is bloody marvellous. Ultradonded!!
a quick look at some of the areas our linguists are currently wrangling over...
ElDerino
Comment No. 712472
Re the great dondling debate - surely a dondle must in fact be the diminutive of dond, which would make it kind of the opposite of the "massive seconds", to be used when you're pretty keen on a song, but don't quite feel it's up there in the pantheon...
AlexaK
Comment No. 712644
while it's a good idea, I'm not sure if 'Dondlation Intensity (*TM) should be inversely proportional to the degree of variation from the original term, as these were intended as synonyms. Perhaps we should do as the Romans do and use appropriate suffixes... Dondlino/Dondlissimo...?
Just a thought...
In the initial period of expansion, it was inevitable that franchises would be developed...
orangeairplane
Comment No. 722289
Mcdondles for sentimental heavy rock-songs.
Let's not pretend the road was wide and straight, however. A stubborn rearguard resisted to the end... before it was ruthlessly eradicated..
mattinthehat
Comment No. 614903
sedonds (sic);
ruskin
Comment No. 660574
I too have no idea about how to do so, what sedonds means, etc, can't be bothered to trawl the archive, and really don't want anyone to go to any trouble that would basically be tiresome to one and all.
DickDastardly
Comment No. 710818
can anyone tell an old man what "Dondle" means? I'm lost.
Proudfoot
Comment No. 710917
@dickDastardly et al: "Let me explain something to you. Um, I do not "Second". You Second. I Dond. So that's what you call it. You know, that or, uh, His Dondness, or uh, Donder, or El Donderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing"
Apologies to The Big Lebowski.
DickDastardly
Comment No. 710964
donding is very silly, grow up
Mark68
Comment No. 711233
Being told that donding is silly by someone called DickDastardly... you've gotta love this blog.
Expansion into foreign languages:
murphsup
Comment No. 626541
Also muchos sedondos for Rachid Taha's Rock El Casbah
TonNL
Comment No. 714928
More international dondling:
Dutch: dondelen: ik dondel (present), ik dondelde (past), ik heb gedondeld (past perfect): to support certain things wholeheartedly
ejaydee
Comment No. 714296
If one wants to mark strong agreement, should it be dondlised, as in "you've just been dondlised my friend!"
More international vocabulary: dondler, je dondele nous dondelons.
Dondlar, eu dondlo, voce dondle (maybe I should insert a diphtong here)
Esp: dondlar, yo dondlo, he dondlado...
gordonimmel
Comment No. 711812
If we're going to move 'dondle into the German language, shouldn't it be 'Gedondlet' or are you claiming that it's a strong verb?
It remained only to complete the formalities of establishing standard units of reference..
DarceysDad
Comment No. 691688
a kilo of 'donds.
and developing the inevitable double entendres..
tracyk
Comment No. 711063
Oooh, Darceysdad, what a massive dondle you have...for The Sundays Monochrome...I feel dirty now.
To close, it's worth taking a moment to reflect on the statement "the iceberg is always much larger under water than it appears to be above":
BlimpyMcFlah
Comment No. 585957
Nuge sedonds ofr Martha Wainwright's swaery number
AlexaK
Comment No. 710851
'dondled - adj. - (verb: 'dondle) -- a variant of 'donded, a dialect peculiar to RR. From the Typographically Challenged "sedonded," via the English "Seconded."
For those less versed in the technical terminology of linguistics, here's an explanation in "plein English"..
frogprincess
Comment No. 660790
the 'sedonds' is a classic RR typo for 'seconds' and was kind of adopted as RR lingo as we all make typing mistakes, especially on a Friday night when the well earned glass of whatever kicks in. You know that moment when you're drinking champagne cos you have no prosecco left in the fridge?
But where did this expression really come from? How did it develop?
After about half an hour of lacklustre searching, the linguistic experts at RROS have put together this take it or leave it survey of the term "dondle", including this early forerunner of the expression:
ejaydee
Comment No. 508215
Secdonds for the SESAME STREET THEME TOON!!!!
The first recorded formal use followed shortly afterwards:
BlimpyMcFlah
Comment No. 529313
MASSIVE SEDONDS for Joy Division, as Atmosphere is my favourite and best song of theirs.
Also I would like to know when the "Massive Sedonds" t-shirt is going to be available from the Guardian shop. I for one would buy it, and on the back there could be a list of the 50 best music t-shirts as knocked up by jasonaparkes
..After some chin-stroking, nodding and a few sips of wine, the well oiled RR call-and-response mechanism kicked into place..
DarceysDad
Comment No. 539762
By the way, Blimpy, I'm working on the Massive Sedonds T-shirts ...
Tempusfugit
Comment No. 576906
FP, have you got a keyboard with 2 'ds' on it (as in 'sedonds') or am I missing something?
What great invention didn't have its near misses? We are left to wonder what might have been...
Bathmat
Comment No. 637731
Everyone's sedonding Heatwave by Martha Reeves & the Vs, which I happily thirdond
saneshane
Comment No. 722479
extraordondary thrids PLEASE
BlimpyMcFlah
Comment No. 733409
GIGANTIC DONDALOONDIES
The point of no return, however, was reached on the landmark date of August 17 with the first official recognition of the term- from here, there was no going back..
Dorianlynskey
Comment No. 647414
Morning all
CLARIFICATION TIME
I'm counting sedonds as individual posters' first choices. So if you've already picked, say, The One I Love, then you can't sedond, say, 1 Thing.
Now the usage was firmly established, it wasn't long before the desire for formal acceptance made itself felt..
ShivSidecar
Comment No. 647216
As a little 100th birthday diversion, can anybody supply me with the etymology of the verb "to sedond"? And a citation of its first use? (Or is it one of those if-you-have-to-ask-you'll-never-understand thangs?)
some of the earlier investigations into the etymology of the term are yet to be verified...
lukethedrifter
Comment No. 647369
wow, so clearly 'sedonding' is already mythical, and everyone has their own sedond story. For my part, I assert that the first recorded example of sedonding was found in the Tao Te Ching. The specific verse in question reads:
'The way that can be seen
is not the constant way;
is not water more powerful than stone,
for a river may flow through granite.
Is not Nick Cave the way?
For there are sedonds in profusion'.
frogprincess
Comment No. 712181
Dond: Etym. 15th cen. Be-dondle [expressing support, emotional or political] "Methinks I have a lay bedondled" [15th century ode by Pater Darcum]
and, as with any popular phrase, the early history was littered with variations and abbrieviations:
BlimpyMcFlah
Comment No. 657714
Immediate and massive 'donds to the Fannies and Buggles
severin
Comment No. 669938
eerrmm ... "sendondly" (?)
frogprincess
Comment No. 710228
(which I instantly 'dondle')
alicksboots
Comment No. 713865
Donds and thrids to it.
murphsup
Comment No. 711997
Oh yes, this is bloody marvellous. Ultradonded!!
a quick look at some of the areas our linguists are currently wrangling over...
ElDerino
Comment No. 712472
Re the great dondling debate - surely a dondle must in fact be the diminutive of dond, which would make it kind of the opposite of the "massive seconds", to be used when you're pretty keen on a song, but don't quite feel it's up there in the pantheon...
AlexaK
Comment No. 712644
while it's a good idea, I'm not sure if 'Dondlation Intensity (*TM) should be inversely proportional to the degree of variation from the original term, as these were intended as synonyms. Perhaps we should do as the Romans do and use appropriate suffixes... Dondlino/Dondlissimo...?
Just a thought...
In the initial period of expansion, it was inevitable that franchises would be developed...
orangeairplane
Comment No. 722289
Mcdondles for sentimental heavy rock-songs.
Let's not pretend the road was wide and straight, however. A stubborn rearguard resisted to the end... before it was ruthlessly eradicated..
mattinthehat
Comment No. 614903
sedonds (sic);
ruskin
Comment No. 660574
I too have no idea about how to do so, what sedonds means, etc, can't be bothered to trawl the archive, and really don't want anyone to go to any trouble that would basically be tiresome to one and all.
DickDastardly
Comment No. 710818
can anyone tell an old man what "Dondle" means? I'm lost.
Proudfoot
Comment No. 710917
@dickDastardly et al: "Let me explain something to you. Um, I do not "Second". You Second. I Dond. So that's what you call it. You know, that or, uh, His Dondness, or uh, Donder, or El Donderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing"
Apologies to The Big Lebowski.
DickDastardly
Comment No. 710964
donding is very silly, grow up
Mark68
Comment No. 711233
Being told that donding is silly by someone called DickDastardly... you've gotta love this blog.
Expansion into foreign languages:
murphsup
Comment No. 626541
Also muchos sedondos for Rachid Taha's Rock El Casbah
TonNL
Comment No. 714928
More international dondling:
Dutch: dondelen: ik dondel (present), ik dondelde (past), ik heb gedondeld (past perfect): to support certain things wholeheartedly
ejaydee
Comment No. 714296
If one wants to mark strong agreement, should it be dondlised, as in "you've just been dondlised my friend!"
More international vocabulary: dondler, je dondele nous dondelons.
Dondlar, eu dondlo, voce dondle (maybe I should insert a diphtong here)
Esp: dondlar, yo dondlo, he dondlado...
gordonimmel
Comment No. 711812
If we're going to move 'dondle into the German language, shouldn't it be 'Gedondlet' or are you claiming that it's a strong verb?
It remained only to complete the formalities of establishing standard units of reference..
DarceysDad
Comment No. 691688
a kilo of 'donds.
and developing the inevitable double entendres..
tracyk
Comment No. 711063
Oooh, Darceysdad, what a massive dondle you have...for The Sundays Monochrome...I feel dirty now.
To close, it's worth taking a moment to reflect on the statement "the iceberg is always much larger under water than it appears to be above":
BlimpyMcFlah
Comment No. 585957
Nuge sedonds ofr Martha Wainwright's swaery number
21 comments:
Cracking post, Gromit, er I mean Blimpy ... or nilpferd ... oh I am SO tired.
BTW - the T-shirts are still on the board (box of T-s and packet of iron-on transfer printer sheets bought); but I haven't managed to find time to persuade the design team to agree on a final format. Given that the 'team' is just me, I realise that's quite scarily poor form, but it means we're still open to suggestions - hark, the sound of floodgates opening!!
Classic! I am quite proud to be the first purveyor of the word that started out as a typo and is now a shoo-on for new word of the year 2008. Well if w00t can be, I don't see hwy a dond can't.
Nilp wrote this, I only posted it up. It's bloody hilarious.
Top one Nilp! Best post yet!
Well it's long been on my mind that the time for our attorneys to contact those at The Oxford Unabridged Dictionary is well past. Here's a brand new word and they're always on the lookout for those, there's a fortune at stake here, we could finance this entire enterprise plus provide holidays in Provence for all the staff if this is handled properly. Blimpy is very competent, I move that we give him total authority to negotiate on our behalf, do I have a 'dond'?
I feel such a surge of affection for RR and all involved
@steenbeck, i felt the same way after reading nilp's mighty greatest hits of RR
@goneforeign - what? there's a reward for for this sort a thing? i don't flumxing believe it!
New words, a how-to:
http://www.askoxford.com/worldofwords/newwords/newwordsdict/?view=uk
It's official as far as I can see, Ejaydee and Blimpy.. or should I say, "The donds brothers".
Thanks for the comments people, it's all your own work!
I hadn't intended to make it so long, but after a bit of ctrl-F ing I turned up so many great comments it seemed best to let them speak for themselves.. some day I'll have to post the original, unmixed sessions.. wait until it's in the Oxford, though.. ;-)
Stellar post. Wise, erudite, informed. Nominated for inclusion in next month's issue of "The Linguist".
Sigh!
There I was thinking I'd given a pretty good answer to this question for debbym last night but now....
Like a charachter in this week's B-List I Hang My Head
Next thing we need is an official song, I like the pne that goes
"There's something happening here,
What it is 'ain't exactly clear..."
But it soon will be!
@ goneforeign - we've got one. Click the link.
Why is this showing 'No longer available' up above?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fauwRmKg-s
Whenever I cite "singles" (7" plastic discs; ask your uncle) on RR I want to render them as "snigles". But I'm afraid that Joe & Jane Reader will just assume that I'm a muddle-fingered berk who can't type. So, dear readers, perhaps you could support me in this noble endeavour? "Train To Skaville - what a rip-snorting snigle!" - that kind of thing. God bless and good evening.
PS. I lay claim to the phrases "golden dondle" and "spandex dondle". What I'll do with them I can't imagine. [Wear 'em on your head. - Ed.]
Shiv- spandex and golden made the longlist.. keep your eyes peeled for "the dondle sessions", where I'll be mixing some of the unreleased material... probably out sometime just before christmas...;-)
*Tries posting a response to the right thread, daft cow that I am*
How humiliating to be the Sid James to everyone else's Ned Sherrin. Colour me ashamed...
Tracyk- your post brought a certain je ne sais quoi to the article- without it, the whole thing would have been a touch drabber. No need to be ashamed. Many thanks!
Yes, it brought filth! Still, let's stick to one's metier, eh? Thanks for this, it brought back a nostalgic warmth for the dedicated RRers who make the place so wunnerful.
Actually, I have to defend Tracy's honour here: from memory I set her up for that line with my original request for support on that song nomination.
My honour! There's a mythical beast, up there with the unicorn and the phoenix! Thanks Rich!
You're welcome. I do a neat line in puddle-covering capes too.
TracyK, daft cow that you are; please, please, please, never change one iota. I grew up listening to people who talked just like that, even did it me'sen, until them down south bred it outer me.
So please never stop.
In my first job at an electronic parts assembly line in Erith, Kent where In was supposed to be the 'inspector', I, without thinking called an old lady 'you silly cow!' She picked up a hammer and chased me the length of the factory whilest all the 'girls' cheered!
Please never stop.
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