Sunday, November 15, 2009

Desperate? Who you calling desperate?


Lots of Spillers are into photography as was me old man (a true pro - not like me - I like taking pics but would not in a miilion years call mesen a photographer).
The photographer who took this young upstart really was a class apart and for some SpillPoints can anyone get the following?
1. Photographer
2. Proper title , place and year
3. Year and how she died - DESPERATION!
4. Title of her other well-remembered photo.
Suerte!
PS - for the likes of GoneForeign - what camera(s) did she use?

32 comments:

Blimpy said...

Now this is a total guess, based on the fact there was a movie on the other night that I saw the first 20 minutes of, so she's near the forefront of my mind - so I'll say it's Diane Arbus, somewhere in NY (central park, as it's the only open green space), early 60s. I never made it to the end of the film, so I odn't know what happened to her.

gremlinfc said...

Goodness me Blimpster you are sehr schnell tonight- it must be the fillum "Fur" you saw?
You have 2 SpillPoints from this - it was Diane Arbus and the place is correct.
Sehr gut.

CaroleBristol said...

Yes, deffo Diane Arbus

saneshane said...

"child with toy hand grenade in central park" it was called.

Pills and gasing herself wasn't it?
she had bad depression anyway.

gremlinfc said...

Safe to say SaneShane she was very glum - with pills but not gas...far more brutal...
@Carolebristol - are you a photo-grapher too?

gremlinfc said...

@saneshane - title is correct BTW - SPILLPOINT!!!

saneshane said...

gremlin
t'was pills and razor, not gas (even more brutal)
had to study this and found her photos left scary marks on my minds eye.. powerful stuff.

ta for my point

gremlinfc said...

@saneshane - Tha's not wrong kid - I first saw this image used in an Anarchist magazine for libertarian education and it is extremely powerful - such a contorted face and such a scrawny figure in possession of a potentially deathly "toy"...brilliant.

Blimpy said...

"You had a live grenade to play with? You were lucky!! We had defunct landmines and a pit full of razor wire"

gremlinfc said...

Luxury!We used to have to get up out of our bomb shelter in the middle of the night and lick landmines cleasan wi our tongues. we had 2 bits of cold gravel , worked 24 hours a day at mill for 6pence every 4 years and when we got home our dad would slice us in 2 wi' t' razor wire.

CaroleBristol said...

Sliced with razor wire!

Ooh, we'd ha' given our eye teeth to be sliced with razor wire.

We 'ad to make do with rusty bits o' shrapnel.

Our trench was so wet it 'ad fish in it.

Not that we cud 'ave eaten the fish, bloody sticklebacks is all we 'ad.

Blimpy said...

you 'ad it easy, our dad were made of napalm and would thrash us wi' caterpillar tracks afore we were allowed to play in central park. when i say 'central park' really it were no-man's land, somewhere near passchendaele...

Makinavaja said...

that's nowt. We 'ad to clean passchendaele up afore we got outta bed, pay for the privilige and then sharpen the razor wire before we tested it on us genitals. Youth of today!! You don't know you're born!

gremlinfc said...

Aye lad tha's right - and you try telling the young people of today that - they won't believe you...

Makinavaja said...

Gremmers - couda left the puchline for later we wus just gettin' goin'!

gremlinfc said...

oh bugger!

gremlinfc said...

Maybe we should say our chief weapon is suprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our four...no...Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as
fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

goneforeign said...

Well for a little bit of reality, I DID sit on't cellar steps allnight during the Sheffield blitz, 12 hours of ack-ack gunfire and bombs falling all around constantly, all the windows blown in, gas mains blazing everywhere and all the water mains gushing like fountains in every street. Next morning the city was devastated, burning buildings and wrecked trams everywhere, and on top of that there was an unexploded landmine right around the corner on Crooksmoor Rd that sat there for several days 'til they defused it; after that we used to play on/in it all the time, we were very intrigued with all the Jerry writing on the sides.
Re. camera used, for that picture probably a Hasselblad, other times she might use a Leica or a Nikon F.

Makinavaja said...

Gremlin, keep posting!

gremlinfc said...

@goneforeign - watched a superb documentary 2 nights ago about the Blitz of Coventry and I have to say it was very moving : to see men & women of 80 STILL being moved to tears about an event nearly 70 years ago is gut-wrenching. I don't know if you know but I live in Steel City so all those places you mention have a meaning to me :
Arbus used a Leica apparently - SpillPoint to you!

goneforeign said...

What street do you live on?

goneforeign said...

I don't think she used a Leica on that one though it's possible, the square format's a giveaway and it doesn't make sense to crop it that precisely. I've never been a Leica fan though there's no doubt the make absolute top of the line gear, traditionally they're not reflexes which is what makes them attractive, they're half the size of a Nikon. If you saw the post I recently did about a new camera format, that's a return to the Leica philosophy except it's now digital. I might now become a fan.

gremlinfc said...

@goneforeign - just got back from t' chalk face - i'm on Manchester Road but used to live around nether edge / heeley which i understand was bombed a lot...

Exodus said...

Not read any comments yet (I'll go back in a minute & see what's been said) but I'd guess this is by Diane Arbus, who I believe committed suicide, but that's as far as I can go.

Exodus said...

hmm not bad.

Mind you I was thinking that there'd be 23 erudite comments analysing Arbus' work and its relevance to the Weltangschmerz of the prevailing Zeitgeist or some such, whereas you've actually just been very, very silly!

gremlinfc said...

Indeed Exodus it's difficult working with imbeciles but you just can't get the people these days- you know recession on brains and all that. Am in Manchester Thursday for conference but free from 3.30 if you are around - coffee & chat?

Exodus said...

I'm in central Manchester Thursday but won't be free till about 5/5.30 - if you'll still be around then I'd be up for a brew.

gremlinfc said...

@exodus - i can get a paper and waste an hour - got to get back into central Manc anyway from the 'Copthorne Hotel' which'll take a bit so it would be very nice indeed!

goneforeign said...

Gremlin: I know Manchester Rd very well, my dad had a house on Ashdell Rd in Broomhill. I could travel anywhere in the city by bus or tram for a halfpenny and I often took the bus the length of Manchester Rd to Lodge Moor terminus, there was an infectious disease hospital right there and a POW camp a bit further down on the left, there were always prisoners looking over the wall talking to the women assembled below. From Lodge Moor we'd hike out to Rivelin dams or Stanage usually spending all day out on the moors. I remember walking to Castleton once.
The Broomhill end was also well known to me, I walked everywhere around there, Western Park, Glossop Rd, Clarkhouse Rd, Endcliff Park, the Botanical Gardens, I have many memories of all those places. There used to be a barage balloon/Ack-Ack gun station at the top of Brocco Bank, we used to play there, then there was an army training area on Clarkhouse Rd where they had ropes from trees for swinging on and they used throw firecrackers at the soldiers when they were training, we'd collect all those that didn't go off. If you're interested go to my blog, there's an extensive piece there about Sheffield in WW2.

gremlinfc said...

Maybe 2 l8 exodus but email 2 gremlinfc@hotmail.com if u can meet i get emails on my phone so will b able 2 pick up anytime - name time + place GFC

Exodus said...

Hi GFC - have e-mailed you!

gremlinfc said...

Thanks Ex-Man : got it just in time on super-gadget-phone so am now back in Steel City. Another time dude!
Hasta luego , as they sometimes say...